2019-2020 UF B-Ball

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  • #45182

    A solid core of offensive talent in Nembhard, Locke and Johnson could take the team to the Sweet 16, maybe further. The real question on how deep into the tournament they go concerns the inside game, a festering problem since John E. got hurt. Front court players scoring in the paint, along with denying opponents’ offensive rebounds and second chances is where the difference will be made, or not, and of course, everyone hitting free throws, especially late in games will be critical. If that all comes together, 25+ wins is in the cards.

  • #45213

    tmcurvel
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    The inside game after the exhibition and first game has been answered. It looks like we will get production from the front court which is so welcome. Once Coach White figures out the rotation, I like our chances of having 25+ wins. First test is reversing the win streak FSU has on Florida. After viewing the season opener for both teams, I believe we can get a W.

  • #45215

    mtn2top
    Participant

    After watching the first few games, I have no doubt this Gator hoops team will score and play well together offensively.

    The FSU game will be very telling because it is our first encounter with talent and size inside. We are a little light in the paint this season and will have to continue experimenting with speed to the rim and shots from the perimeter. So watch what happens when Blackshear is doubled inside in this game. Sure to be a common theme against the bigger and talented teams.

    Defense is not very good right now. It’s going to take awhile to play into better technique and different coverage. I’ll watch for how we handle the hot hand on opposing teams. I’m not sure we’ll be able to contain a hot shooter in these early games as the defense is just not there yet. That’s the most obvious need as we start the season.

  • #45299

    mtn2top
    Participant

    Serving of humble pie from FSU. Noles are replacing most of their starting line up, but these guys have played together and in Leonard Hamilton’s system. Classic illustration of how a defense can lead the team to points and the win – on the road.

    All the pieces are there for Florida. The Gators are going to be a very good team as the season progresses. For the sixth year in a row the Noles got the best of us early in the season.

  • #45300

    Corey
    Participant

    They did. The team just doesn’t quite look completely in sync with each other yet. Hopefully, a few more game reps will see them get better. Don’t know if that lack of sync is causing the shots not going down right now too. Hopefully that rights itself as well.

  • #45301

    tmcurvel
    Participant

    I felt that some of the players were pressing too much to make their shots and when the shots were not falling, it affected the team’s defensive intensity. Omar Payne need to have more minutes with Blackshear. Go big and feed the inside game until we get untracked from the perimeter. And for goodness sake tell Nembhard to move(pass) the ball instead dribbling all day waiting to make the perfect assist.

    • #45313

      Definitely go big when the opponent is going big, like FSU was. Where was D. Bassett? Seems like he could have helped Blackshear. Maybe they should see if L. Krull or one of the back-up linebackers wants to play basketball.

  • #45314

    tmcurvel
    Participant

    I got the feeling that FSU wanted the game more and their defensive intensity was at a higher level. I’m sure the loss to Pitt and all the preseason hype Florida has received created a situation for FSU to prove that they have some size and talent too. It would be interesting how these two teams match up in March.

    It is much too early to be so critical of the team and coaching staff.

  • #45333

    gatorgi70x7
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    I do believe, at least hope, that this team will ”gel” and become productive on offense and in their 3 point ‘D’. But I’m not going to hold my breath for an NCAA invite in March, much less a ”Sweet 16” from this team until they ”prove their mettle.” In fact, ‘IF’ the NCAA wanted this team quickly knocked-out of the NCAA Tourney in March 2020, then just match them up with F.S.U. It’s Mike White’s KRYPTONITE. And that is a fact, not an opinion, either. Coach White is O for 5 against Florida’s in-state rival. And that makes NO SENSE to me. But then again, not much does lately. So…

  • #45343

    mtn2top
    Participant

    These guys are still learning each other names, much less their game. Give them a little time to play and learn together and they will be fine.

  • #45346

    Developing chemistry definitely important. Developing toughness almost as important. Might we have seen a toughness deficit vs. FSU? Who will bring that toughness next time it is needed?

  • #45372

    Nembhard calmly knocking down late free throws to ice it definitely a tonic for the troops (maybe some of it could rub off on T. Mann). Love S. Lewis and K. Johnson’s athleticism, and K. Blackshear’s inside presence, but who will play the M. Parker, C. Richards, D. Hill type role? It will be needed, especially in conference play.

  • #45417

    Thinking of how things went in 2013-2014 – a near perfect illustration of when it comes to UF winning championships, it’s always something – I want an extra large can of walloping, one sided whup-ass opened on UConn today in their home venue.

  • #45426

    mtn2top
    Participant

    That’s the Achilles heel for this team early in the season, size in the front court. Adding experience only amplifies the disparity. It’s not that much different for UK in recent seasons with young teams.

    Fans need to relax. It’s how the season ends that matters. There’s a lot of role development and team building going on right now – if the Gators are play at a championship level.

    There’s more to it than just putting five guys on the court, no matter how talented. I Like Coach Mike.

  • #45431

    Also like CMW, but unsure he is as good a b-ball coach as CDM is a football coach.

  • #45489

    Things look headed back in the right direction, but extended scoring droughts are a nagging problem.

  • #45521

    mtn2top
    Participant

    There’s still a lot of kinks to work out in the coming weeks. It was great to see this team beginning to gel in the romp of the Charleston Classic.

    • #45564

      One kink is consistency in three point shooting. 0% in 1st half last night, 50% in the 2nd. Still won, but in conference play, it might not work out that well.

      • #45565

        Joe Shiver
        Participant

        The shaky shooting is a big concern. The player and ball movement was better last night, but the poor shooting, FT’s included, made it closer than it needed to be.

        • #45603

          cattrick
          Participant

          If you can’t hit at LEAST 35 % from 3 pt. range, you are in trouble. I also do not understand why some players suddenly just stop moving without the ball. I’m sure White has back-door screens, weak-side roll ups and other plays that require movement without the ball, but sometimes I see some guys just standing around watching Nembs dribble nowhere. WTH?

          • #45658

            Hopefully the week off will have helped them get their bearings on 3p’s and FT’s for this next game against The Butler Did It.

  • #45701

    Terrible 3pt. shooting, terrible FT shooting; looking like a .500 team right now.

  • #45811

    Building some momentum going into the conference schedule. Should be 9-3 by then.

  • #45858

    gatorgi70x7
    Participant

    “Enjoy the journey!” -Mark ”Earth, Wind, and Fire” Wise.
    ”Wise words,” and now I will humbly attempt to expand on the sentiment ”the journey.”
    And thank you for reading my thoughts and opinions, and thanks to Gatorsports.com for this platform. It is appreciated!

    The million dollar question for me is was the Providence game an anomaly, or are these Gator players beginning to gel, and right in front of our eyes? Flashbacking now, but it was amazing to watch (giving away my age, 51) the Gators Men Basketball team for the 04’s grow into the ”Back to Back National Champs” for Billy ‘D’ in 2006-’07 (the last school to do it, too… CHOMP-CHOMP!). And I loved watching Cheezie go from an erratic point guard to an unbelievable ”disher.” As Chris Chiozza has the U.F. all time asst record (I think).

    My point is this 2019-’20 Gator Basketball team should be fun to watch, and fun to watch them grow and evolve during this 2019-’20 season. However, ”the one and done” label that some of these Gator freshman received makes me think that those journalists have NEVER played basketball before, street b-ball included. Because while their (Lewis, Mann, etc..) potential is certainly evident, I believe they’d get crushed mentally and physically in the NBA. That is ‘IF’ they left after this season, I don’t think they would be prepared, in my opinion. But I absolutely love Scottie Lewis’ game to date, and his potential is sky high. But physically (as a 6′ 4” thin guy myself) he needs to gain some muscle weight before he’ll ball in ”The League” successfully.

    Ultimately, I’m genuinely excited to see how ”defensive minded” Coach Mike White and his staff install an effective offense with this group. Because letting these players ”free-lance” on offense (as Coach White put it recently here at Gatorpsorts.com) is lazy on the coaches part. But ”Go Gators!” And we all hope they make this a special year! And Gator ballers, you all have the talent, so now just go make it happen! Go Gators!

    • #45859

      Joe Shiver
      Participant

      Hoping it wasn’t an anomaly. The Friars shot terribly, 6% from 3-point range and 26% overall, and it was so bad that you have to wonder how much of that was the Gators’ D and how much was just their poor shooting.

      The Gators obviously dominated and played extremely well on the offensive end, but they gave up 20 offensive rebounds. That can kill you against better teams. I’m hoping to see the Blackshear/Payne and Blackshear/Bassett combos for longer periods. The ref’s were so whistle happy that it was difficult for any of the Gator bigs to stay on the court.

      The good offense was refreshing. If they can replicate that, the D should always be there, so they should be able to “gel” into something closer to the team that many thought they could be.

      • #45890

        Maybe it was an anomaly. Making Utah State look like Michigan State, and limping into the conference schedule, with this much talent on the roster? Getting concerned.

  • #45899

    mtn2top
    Participant

    Clean slate in the SEC. We have many tough games between here and a tourney invite. Our team will respond positively to a regular schedule and league play.

  • #45938

    Corey
    Participant

    Hopefully the steady schedule after today is going to actually benefit the team.

  • #45944

    Like the team that showed up today, but 33% on 2nd half FT’s won’t cut it in conference play. Not much room for error.

    • #45950

      Joe Shiver
      Participant

      Not likely to have Gak and Jitoboh shooting most of your second half FT’s in conference, but I get your point. Glover going 0-3 is
      concerning. That won’t cut it if he’s needed for ball-handling at the end of a tight game.

  • #46051

    Love the fighting spirit, and of course, the conference W, but spotting conference opponents 15-20 leads is living dangerously.

  • #46068

    Nearly 80% 2nd half FT’s, decisively closing out opponent on its home court, halfway to 20 wins, and still in the hunt for 25.

  • #46069

    mtn2top
    Participant

    It sure is. Gators looked good on the road against SC. You can relax a little.

    • #46093

      Hope you are right about being able to relax, and that they keep racking up wins through the conference schedule. but as I have learned over and over again about major UF sports since my first semester in G-ville in 1980, it’s always something.

  • #46084

    Corey
    Participant

    Let’s see how the next couple of weeks play out. If they play strong and continue to show improvement in court cohesiveness through the next 4 SEC games (2 on the road), their next big tournament litmus test will be when Baylor comes to town at the end of the month. Still hoping that the continuous playing schedule with the conference season is only going to make this team stronger.

  • #46124

    Weather neutralizes opponent’s home court advantage, but team comes out flat, can’t find its footing, then finishes with a fizzle. It’s always something.

  • #46129

    cattrick
    Participant

    The way Mizzou shot was a wish from Aladdin. A one-time deal so I’m over it. Still the defense could have had a better fight, but it’s tough to stop ANY team that hits 63%.

    • #46148

      Sounds like you are saying something almost like it’s always something, such as an opponent’s near magical shooting on a night weather neutralized their home court advantage. Don’t forget UF going 0 for everything from the floor for the game’s first 5-6 minutes.

      Tonight was more like it needs to be – keeping conference home record unblemished – which must continue, if UF is to win 25, and get a good tournament seed.

  • #46130

    gatorgi70x7
    Participant

    Ole Miss in Gainesville.
    Auburn in Gainesville.
    LSU in Baton Rouge, LA.
    Baylor in Big 12/SEC Challenge.
    THE NEXT 4 GAMES for U.F. Men’s Basketball.

    And so this Florida team’s well into the conf. schedule. I forgive the Gators for the hard boiled egg they laid at Mizzou (snowed in, cold, etc…). But man, the 3 point ‘D’ has to improve greatly for this team to make an NCAA Tourney bid, much less a deep run. Plenty of time though, it’s only January. But no better time than the present to make it happen, Gators! The talent’s there, the bigs are here, finally! And all that is missing is consistently good defense! And Mike White’s a ”defensive-minded coach,” so… Just consistently play tough on ‘D’, and the rest will fall into place! Go Gators!

  • #46174

    Strong start and a white hot, wipe out finish; looked like a 25 win team today.

  • #46181

    Corey
    Participant

    Funny thing is that they still won’t be ranked goung into next week at LSU and with Baylor coming to town.

  • #46198

    Maybe my eyesight betrayed me, and I don’t know the applicable rule’s exact wording, but I don’t think I saw video proof sufficient to overturn the call on the floor that K. Johnson’s game tying shot was good. Loved the comeback, but they really could have used some C. Richard or M. Parker type muscle tonight.

  • #46201

    gatorgi70x7
    Participant

    The loss last night stung. Insomuch, it coulda’, shoulda’ been won! And Blackshear did say after the Auburn win, ”We have to win at home, and steal some on the road.” And they almost did last night. But the Tigers have won the last 5 games with an average point difference of ONLY 2.6 points for their last 5 games. The LSU Tigers are cool under pressure (Hint, Florida!). The Tigers should make an interesting SEC Tourney run when the ”madness” begins. But for our beloved Gators, they need to make ”comeback runs” slightly earlier, like 3 to 5 minutes earlier. But the refs did suck in the ticky-tack fouls they called against the Gators. Some of the Gator fouls were deserving, but ”Really? Come on, man!” Ultimately, the mighty Florida Gators are learning all along this b-ball journey to March Madness. And April, if your lucky! But ”the harder they work, the more luck they will have!” Go Gators!

  • #46210

    Corey
    Participant

    Wasn’t able to.watch the game, but it just seems that Tre Mann is still having trouble transitioning the college game. I can’t wait until he turns the corner…he’ll be such a difference maker for the team.

    • #46213

      Joe Shiver
      Participant

      You’re absolutely correct, Corey. If Mann can develop into the shooter he was billed to be, it will be great for the Gators. The new 3-point line is almost an extra 1.5 feet on top of the previous 1 foot extra from the high school line. This year’s freshmen are having to adjust to almost 2.5 more feet of distance on their 3-point shots, and it’s taking it’s toll on Mann and others. In fact, 3-point shooting is down across the country, as you might expect.

      The barely late shot by Johnson is just further proof of IAS’s point about the Gators: “it’s always something”.

      • #46216

        Now that you mention it, a well designed, near perfectly executed set play, capping off a furious rally from 10 down with a little over a minute to play, only to be less than 1/10 of a second late, is most definitely another illustration that it’s always something.

        • #46217

          Corey
          Participant

          It is always something…..going to have to be the line of this year’s BBall team. I’m pretty much a dunce when it comes to basketball I.Q. Just go by what I know from watching it and not playing. I’m surprised they’re having him even worry about the 3-point line right now and just have him shoot from the outside he’s used to and let him work out to the new line….maybe it’ll improve his shooting percentage, which hopefully will trickle into his 3-pt. percentage and rest of his game, as I have read that he’s a pretty good defender as well. Just a little boost from him and the 9th and 10th guys off the bench, Bassett and even some minutes for Jitobah, I still believe that this team hasn’t even come close to it’s ceiling. Really crossing my fingers for a complete game Saturday.

          • #46225

            The crowd will be raucous with #1 Baylor in G-Ville. If UF plays like they did against Auburn, and like they did in the last minute at LSU, beating two top 5 opponents in one week is in the cards. Pulling that off would really be something.

          • #46249

            Never mind.

  • #46258

    gatorgi70x7
    Participant

    ”The team just doesn’t quite look completely in sync with each other yet. Hopefully, a few more game reps we’ll see them get better. Don’t know if that lack of sync is causing the shots not going down right now. Hopefully that rights itself as well.”

    -Corey, on November 10, 2019 at 8:23 pm in this forum.

    And now, a little more than 2 months later, it’s still the same! I really do hope this team gets an ”edge” and ”an attitude,” or whatever you want to call it, ”want to” perhaps. As it pays big dividends, on the street courts, or in stadiums, ”want to” & ”desire,” and ”consistency,” all pays you back 2 fold most times.

    Lastly, this team needs an identity, so this stretch of games could help them find that. I’m not certain about this team lately, I just don’t know. We (Gator fans) can only hope Mike White & staff do know (better than us) about this team.
    Go Gators!

    • #46263

      Every time the team seems to be gelling and headed for big run, they fall flat. Who knows what team shows up tonight. Was confident in a 25 win season. Now it looks like 20 will be a struggle. It’s always something.

  • #46268

    This team seemingly has all the elements of a strong contender, but can’t seem able to put them together, and consistently play complete games. What happened?

    • #46269

      StLGator
      Participant

      Poor coaching and player development! The proof of a good job of coaching and player development is seen in a team that rarely loses to teams they’re supposed to beat. The proof of a great coaching job is a team that NEVER loses to teams they’re supposed to beat. THIS Gator team should have beaten THIS Bulldog team in THIS game, period!

      BTW, it takes consistently great recruiting across ALL POSITIONS for a well coached team to win their share of games against top 10 opponents. Gator BB under CMW haven’t had THAT either!

  • #46270

    gatorgi70x7
    Participant

    ”Quadrant one wins are those home games vs. teams RPI ranked 1-30, neutral games vs. 1-50, and away games vs. 1–75. For example, a home win against a top 30 team would qualify as a quadrant one victory.

    A Quadrant 2 win are those at Home against the RPI 31–75, neutral 51–100, and away victories over the RPI 76–135.” -Scooby Axon.

    Suddenly now, this Florida Men’s Basketball team is on the verge of NOT even being ”a Q-1 or Q-2 win” for the OTHER TEAMS. And unfortunately for Florida, last night Miss. State put that win over our beloved Gators in their NCAA Tournament resume. Simply said, Florida cannot afford to lose these type of games anymore this season. Period! The NCAA Tourney won’t send an invite to Florida with more loses like last night (and on their HOME COURT, too!). This season is ”a journey” but… ”Hey Coach White & staff, and players, look! We’re heading back to the docks!” So, ”Come on, Gators, get up and go!”

  • #46319

    mtn2top
    Participant

    The good news is the SEC is very competitive this year. Florida is not the only league team going through growing pains.

    Our crushing pre-season schedule also carries some weight. We can get into the tourney from here IF we win the ones we should and steal a game or two. This team can do that.

  • #46340

    The loss at Kazoo, and the home loss to Miss. St. have been the season’s worst so far. Another one like those, then that tournament seed might be an NIT away game. So, tomorrow night needs to be a one sided ass whuppin’ from start to finish. Time is running short to get things back on track.

  • #46358

    gatorgi70x7
    Participant

    I think it’s now a game to game situation for Florida, as far as the Big Dance is concerned. Like tonight, UGA at home for instance. Florida needs this game in a big, big way. And stopping UGA’s Edwards is the key. I’d put Scottie on him, and let K. Johnson take him on when he drives into the lane. Switch ‘D’ is the key, and processing when to switch is even more important. Because the switch ‘D’ has been a weakness for U.F., to date. Hopefully, it starts getting better tonight against those ugly Dawgs. Go Gators!

  • #46417

    A 17 point away loss against a 2-7 conference record holder, and overall .500 team, is a bad loss, a very bad loss. That NIT away game berth is still in the cards, unfortunately.

  • #46461

    mtn2top
    Participant

    That was a good road win against Texas A&M. It will continue to challenge this young team to be consistent in their performance. They’re learning how to work together a little better with every game.

    Being a bit dramatic with NIT talk. There’s another month of basketball before the tourney. Our freshmen phenoms are getting a lot of quality minutes in league play.

  • #46467

    Graham Hall
    Moderator

    Next two games are big for Florida, as they provide two chances to pick up wins before closing the season with Kentucky twice, LSU , then back to back @ Georgia and @ Tennessee. If they play the way they did at A&M though, they have a chance in every game, which seems to be about all anyone can ask for in SEC play this season. Last note: Florida is shooting better than 36% from 3 this season in conference play. Shot it just below 33.3% last season. This in what started as a down year from the 3-point line for many teams.

  • #46468

    mtn2top
    Participant

    That’s it Graham, it’s time for these Gators to get up and go – together. I think many have forgotten how little was left when the season started.

    I think the Gators can play a lot better than what we saw at A&M, especially with improvements in players after the starting five. Tre Mann is an excellent example. If he returns to 70 or 80 percent of his potential there will be an immediate impact for this team.

    This program is on the rise again. The talent is here for the next few years. The question this season is how quickly they can get to and maintain a consistent championship level of play.

  • #46484

    Who will show up tonight? Every time UF seems to have put its troubles behind, something – and it’s always something – pulls them back in. 6 wins in last 7 regular season games needed.

  • #46508

    OK, 1-0 on the way to the 6-1 finish needed. No let down Tues night. Ark. is a much better team than Vandy.

  • #46527

    Grinding out a home court win with your best guy benched by foul trouble, is a character building win. Now it gets interesting, and significantly more challenging, at Roast Rump Arena.

  • #46564

    A real chance to steal a much needed late season win, and to make a big statement heading into the post season, becomes a textbook case illustrating, all over again, that it’s always something. 18-13 is in the cards. So is the NIT.

  • #46571

    Corey
    Participant

    Locke and Nembhardt only getting one bucket between them was a big miss. Also, where was Payne? Did I miss something about him not playing? Quickly’s 2 minute stretch of taking over the game is what seemed to win it for them, but that’s what to notch players do.

    • #46584

      When those guys disappear from the box score, bad things happen. It can’t all be on Blackshear and KJ, who’ve been steady all season.

  • #46604

    Tonight is big, as is the rest of the fairly tough regular season schedule. UF can’t count on muddling through, then coming alive to win the SEC tournament. Never would have thought we’d be at this point with as much talent as this team’s got. Whole team effort needed NOW, or the NIT awaits.

  • #46611

    UF needs to play the way they did tonight every game the rest of the season.

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