Florida offers 8th, 9th graders

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The Sun doesn’t typically provide coverage on prospects outside of the current recruiting cycle, but the news out of Volusia County this week is worth noting.

Florida offered Blake Hinson (6-5, 210) from Daytona Beach and Orange City’s Lorenzo Lingard (6-1, 185) on Monday.

Hinson and Lingard certainly have the size and pass the look test on film, but these two offensive players are 2019 and 2018 recruits, respectively.

Hinson, an 8th grader, is a wide receiver/tight end who played varsity at Warner Christian this past season. He’s also been offered by Miami and North Carolina, and his older brother is 2016 UM commit Evan Hinson.

Lingard was offered by Georgia in November and won running back MVP at the Rivals Speed and Skill Challenge in Orlando last weekend.

Florida’s offers to Hinson and Lingard could be a sign of change under new Gators coach Jim McElwain. The previous staff rarely handed out offers to high school underclassmen, let alone 8th graders. But in today’s recruiting landscape, the earlier you start pursing a prospect the better.

The Sun knew of a few instances in the past where a UF coach was advised to offer a talented underclassmen and get a leg up in their recruitment, but the assistant or Will Muschamp chose to hold off. By the time Florida did offer, some of those recruits had several big-time schools after them and the Gators were behind the eight ball.

With these latest offers and others by Florida in recent weeks, McElwain doesn’t seem to shy away from starting the recruiting process early. That could pay dividends for him and his staff in the future.

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42 COMMENTS

  1. Curio’s, not really recruits yet imo, but mildly interesting anyway I guess….
    Hey, here’s an ‘Off the Wall’ idea for yous-guys to consider. IF they can leave college early for the NFL, maybe we should let them leave HS or Jr High early for college? (no, not seriously) ;~)

  2. The Reasonable Doubt is not impressed with his basketball highlights. He is pretty decent to the Reasonable Doubt. But, The Reasonable Doubt Like both young prospects in football, let see how they turn out.

  3. It’s a cliche that recruiting is about relationship, so there is no downside to this trend. The question is whether the new coaches will last longer than the one’s they replaced, if not, it won’t help.

  4. The question is whether the coaches will still be around when these players are college bound.
    The coaches have to assume they will and thus start relationship building so early.
    If I were to use assclown reasoning I would say that FSUcks is behind the 8 ball since we beat them to these kids.
    To me it’s all pretty meaningless at this stage but good for BigMac to be doing things different than the previous coach.

  5. I think everyone is amused by da-muddlers lists, so I will give you one of his gems from last year after Spring practice. It’s pretty amusing. I really didn’t have to say who did it, since no one has a format quite like da-muddler.
    Justify and rationalize those two statements:

    Driskel has no QB talent, his #1 dual threat QB out of HS means nothing.
    Driskel was also the Elite 11 Camp MVP vs the best from around the Nation.
    SB QB T.Dilfer said that Driskel was the best and smartest QB he’d ever seen at Elite 11.

    Driskel’s 12-2 record in games he’s started at UF means nothing.
    QB-DT Grier was the #2 Elite 11 QB and Parade’s PoY, it means nothing.
    QB Harris was the #3 ranked dual threat QB and 2x Florida 4-A Champ, means nothing.
    Roper coached both Manning’s and T.Lewis, but he won’t make a difference as the QB coach.
    The Gators would have a chance IF they just had a QB…. (looney-tunes)

    I think it’s pretty clear who deserves the “looney tunes” award. LOL

  6. It’s never too early for a kid to think about college. I’m not a fan of pressuring kids especially that young but there’s nothing wrong with showing interest and making it known you want the kid when he’s ready. Chomp Chomp!

  7. Gator863 It’s too bad you don’t see the humor, but I guess you are another fan who doesn’t want to face reality. I’m just trying to post something interesting since it appears that UF is going through it’s own “dead’ period right now in recruiting with, apparently, very little happening. Perhaps we’ll find out who’s going to show up for Junior Days soon. Usually schools are able to garner some commitments then, although UF has chosen to hold theirs later than most everyone else. It’ll be interesting to see if that strategy pays dividends or is an experiment that should be scrapped. I’d like to see what Zach thinks is the pecking order of quarterbacks UF is seeking, and the possibility of UFgetting one soon. Unlike some, I still don’t have any idea if UF has a decent quarterback on campus, and, after whiffing on a quarterback last year, it’s critical that UF gets at least one this year.

  8. Oh, that was humor. So if I reminded you how you predicted FSU was going to win it all and Winston would show up “stat boy” Mariotta, that would be humorous. You are just taking another shot at UF and a UF fan. Usually find humor in your opinions – Winston had a better year last year than the previous – coaching and system don’t matter – statistics don’t matter – etc. all very funny.

    As far as being realistic, I try to be. I do not know if Coach Mac is the answer. I like that he has head coaching experience, which Muschamp did not have. I like the hires he did for Offensive and Defensive coordinator. I like how he was able to recruit in basically a 1 month period. I would not be surprised if their record this year is similar to last year. If the start having injuries at certain positions, it could be worse. I don’t know that Harris or Grier will turn out to be good. Harris did ok for a true freshman playing an SEC schedule, but still has a way to go to be a good quarterback. Have not seen Grier in a game so have no idea how he will do.

  9. You got me. I was wrong about FSU winning it all. But I don’t think I was wrong about Winston outperforming the stat boy, Mariota. Even in that game, Winston showed why he is a superior quarterback to Mariota. Winston was certainly not the reason FSU lost. He was more accurate than Mariota and threw passes into very tight windows, something that Mariota again showed he is not able to do. I think you will in the upcoming draft when Winston is chosen before Mariota that my opinion of him being the best quarterback is confirmed. That game is a great example of why statistics are meaningless. It’s one thing to throw to someone who is wide open, it’s quite another to anticipate and throw someone open or fit a ball into a small space. IN the NFL, you don’t have receivers running wide open like Mariota enjoyed at Oregon. You actually have to anticipate and throw passes while someone is still covered. Winston has already shown he can do that, while the jury is still out on whether Mariota can do that. It’s not a universal opinion, for instance, Chip Kelly thinks Mariota is the best QB in the draft. But Kelly is a little biased, don’t you think? The consensus is that Winston is, by far, the best quarterback.

  10. Hey aux2 you are not funny you are stupid.
    863 is very nice to you and keeps trying to be reasonable but it still goes over your head. I prefer a different approach: you are a assclown. Your school has had 2 short years of success and is now on the way down, you come here trying to get your last digs in cause you know soon it will be over for you and your fellow Clown-U morons.
    We see right through you.

  11. Winston certainly had a part in why they lost – nice fumble for a td. So you are saying that FSU defensive backs are bad and FSU tight ends & receivers are not very good either. I guess you could be saying that Fisher was totally out coached. Truthfully have not watched much of Oregon this year, but very doubtful plaing against teams like Michigan State, Stanford and FSU that his receivers were always wide open. Nor do I believe that with the talent at FSU that Winston was always having to squeeze the ball in. I would agree that Winston is considered the better pro prospect. In regards to who was the better quarterback in college football this past year, please refer to All American teams and the Heisman Voting.

    In regards this story – I am glad they are talking to these kids early, but think no team should be able to offer until their junior year. Again the only thing that matters is where they sign on signing day.

  12. Your lack of seeing Oregon play shows that you do not realize that yes, Oregon’s receivers were constantly wide open. FSU did not do a good job covering Oregon’s receivers. It’s due to the extreme pressure of Oregon’s fast paced offense that catches defenders out of position. Mariota is a great quarterback, and he is able to be very accurate throwing to wide open receivers, also his vastly superior running ability over Winston helps that. As for Winston’s fumble, Nick O’Leary fell down and Winston had nowhere to go with the ball. The reason Winston is a much better prospect for the NFL he is smarter, and much more accurate than Mariota. The big advantage Mariota has over Winston, his speed and running ability, is something that may be a detriment in the NFL. Running quarterbacks don’t last long in the NFL. Michael Vick may still be getting a paycheck, along with R.G. III, but the guys who last are the Mannings, Bradys, and Rogers who know that they are paid to throw, not run. A caveat to that is Russell Wilson, who uses his legs very effectively and has, so far, learned how to not get hurt. If Mariota can be like Wilson, he may be a great pro. The disadvantage for mariota compared to Wilson is that Wilson came int the NFL from a pro-style offense, Mariota doesn’t . It’s sort of like Tim Tebow, will he be able to read defenses, or struggle to know what was going on like Tim Tebow?

  13. to be honest aux2 i dont like either one of them and im a bucs fan praying they trade the pick to rebuild the oline…the verdict is still out of both of them for different reasons…who knows if mariota can have success in a pro style offense…who knows if that little light in winstons head gets turn on and he matures…one thing i do know is that winston comes from the same offense that saw 2 former first round qb’s fall flat on their face once that got in the pros…i also know qb’s like mariota such as rg3, kaepernick, manziel and any other oregon qb’s havent had that much success once they enter the pros after coming from a spread system in college…just because winston comes from a pro style system doesnt make him any better than mariota imo because history shows us that qb’s from fsu have failed and proved that theroy wrong…those 2 qb’s are just like everyone else in the draft..they have to prove it in the nfl not in college

  14. 813gatorboi There’s an enormous difference between Jameis Winston and E.J. Manuel or Christian Ponder. Both Ponder and Manuel being first round draft choice are a tribute to Fisher, but I don’t think even he would te; ll you that they were great quarterbacks. In fact, in Manuel’s case, I’m sure Fisher was disappointed that he wasn’t better, he had the physical tools, but he wasn’t mentally sharp, and like a lot of quarterbacks would only throw to receivers who were open, instead of throwing to a spot. I think that is why he’s struggling in the NFL right now, because in that level of football, if you wait until someone is open, they probably won’t be when you throw them the ball. I would not call either quarterback a bust yet, since neither quarterback has been in the NFL for very long, and to still be on a roster is not the definition of a bust. Tim Tebow fits that definition since he can’t make a roster. You’re right about both QB’s having to prove themselves, but based on Winston’s unparalleled success so far, I fail to see any reason, at least on the field, that he will not only be a good quarterback in the NFL, but an All-Pro in the not too distant future.

  15. I think that the state of college football recruiting has obviously become quite ridiculous. And people who think things like this are a good idea need to get a grip on the importance of college football in comparison to the rest of whats going on in the world. Some people seem to be going out of their way to justify these type of things. However, the next time these people are criticizing the boorish behavior of some kid who has a sense of entitlement, ala Jameis Winston, these same people need to remember they supported colleges slobbering over 14 year olds which is a great source of how these senses of entitlement come about.

  16. aux2…i dont see the difference between the 3 qbs..all 3 were said to have great nfl size..all 3 were said they can make all the nfl throws..all 3 were said they were the most nfl ready coming out of a pro style system..all 3 were said to be mobile enough for the nfl…the only difference is that winston played with a far better team than the previous qbs thats why he had better success..winston had better receivers, oline, running back and tight end..i’ll admit tebow isnt a better passer than these 3 qbs but he did take a team to the playoffs and won a playoff game something a recent fsu qb hasnt done in a while..imo winston is on the same level as the previous fsu qbs he just had a better supporting cast..if my bucs take him i hope your right about him being an all pro in the near future but i dont see it..GO GATORS!!!

  17. Ox-Tu, you ‘think’ – claim – speculate – BS about lots of things. But unlike you, I don’t claim to know what anyone else is thinking and I only speak for my self, but imo, you’re nuttier than squirrel poo and spend most of your time here talkin’ and/or lying outta your butt.

    Reality – Over the last 10 years:
    UF 6 – 4 FSUcks

    UF 2-1 in SEC-C and 2-0 BCS-NC
    FSUcks 4-1 in ACC-C, 1-0 BCS-NC, 0-1 Playoff Final-4.

    UF 1 Heisman QB with an NFL Playoff Win over the NFL’s #1 Rated Defense.
    UF Heisman QB that also won the Campbell Trophy and about 3 pages of other awards.

    FSUcks 1 Heisman QB vs #69 SoS, Shameous Jameous with 8 off the field PUBARS that are known.

    UF 93 – 36 Overall, 7-2 in Bowl games, including 2 BCS-NC vs #1 Ranked teams with Heisman QB’s. (T.Smith – S.Bradford)
    FSUcks 83 – 37, 7-3 in Bowl games, 1-0 in BCS-NC by +3 pts, 0-1 in Playoff Final-4 by -39 pts.

    Inaccurate Tebow 4 year Career – 88 TD’s to 16 Int’s vs Top 10 SoS Defenses.
    Very Accurate Shameous – 18 Int’s in 2014 alone vs the cupcakes…. LMAO!!!

    Tim Tebow’s first 16 NFL Starts were better than HoF Elway’s or P.Manning’s.
    Elway dumped Tebow for Manning. Tebow won a Playoff in his 15th start as a Bronco.
    The 100 Million Dollar Man took 33 starts as a Bronco to win a Playoff game as a Bronco and has failed to win the SB.

    You continue to make STU-PID claims, but you always FAIL to back them up with anything more than your own delusional/biased opinions. Typical Criminole…

  18. Futher-more, what I find funny is that Ox-Tu is SURE that Shameous will be an All Pro, HoF NFL QB, but he has no idea if UF has a decent QB this year. And UF hasn’t gotten a QB in the past 2 years recruiting classes. Genius! lol

    4 QB’s:

    QB-PP Skyler Mornhinweg 6-3 221 rsJr 1L ***
    QB-PP Jacob Guy 6-5 224 rsJr SQ *** (FL 7A HS semi-finals)
    QB-DT Treon Harris 5-11 193 So 1L **** (2x FL 4A HS Champions)
    QB-DT Will Grier 6-2 197 rsFr SQ ***** (Parade HS PoY, #2 QB-DT at Elite 11)
    3 Year HS Career Offense: 17,520 yards, 226 TD’s, 34 Turnovers.

    2014 – CB/QB Deiondre Porter 6-0 176 rsFr SQ *** (#50 QB-DT)
    FL 6A All State 1st Team QB. Sun Coast PoY. He led Florida with 4,698 total yards and 53 TD’s as a senior dual-threat QB. He threw for 3,199 yards and 33 TD’s, while racking up 1,499 yards and 20 TD’s on the ground as a Sr in 2013. P – 150 of 263, 57% for 3,199 yds, 33 TD’s, 8 Ints. He also won the Tampa Bay ‘Iron Man’ Award because he rarely came off the field playing both ways.

    2015 – FS/QB/CB Kylan Johnson 6-3 200 *** 75 – Dallas Tx (HS QB-DT/CB)
    Quarterbacked Skyline to a 14-1 record last season. P – 2,456 yards with 36 TD’s to ZERO Int’s in his senior year. He also rushed for almost 400 yards and 10 TD’s in 2014.

    So while those last 2 were not brought in to be QB’s, I’m guessing that with some quality coaching and 10 other quality guys, they could get the job done if needed. But I doubt that either of them will be needed.

  19. da-muddler Why do you keep up the insanity? I thought you’d at least eat some crow when I put up, almost, the same exact post that you put up last year about this time. The only difference is that that Jeff Driskel was included. Driskel is so bad that he’s not only not in the NFL because it’d be a joke for him to turn pro early, but he’s not even at UF because he’s so bad. Why do you continually list walk-ons, and players like Porter, who are never going to be quarterbacks at UF? Even Treon Harris was wanted by some teams, not as a quarterback, but to play a different position. Here’s another clue for you, Porter was told he wasn’t going to be a quarterback at UF. Another clue for you is that many players that play other positions in college played quarterback in high school because they were the best athlete on the team and the coach wanted the ball in their hands as much as possible. I guess you only study stats and actually think they measure how good a player will be in college. There are 250,000 high school football players, the ones that are even three star players in a microscopic percentage of that, and is it any wonder that the skill position players that make up that small percentage have great stats in high school? Even the walk-ons you list, that have an almost zero chance of seeing the field, have great high school stats. The fact is, and I know you continually ignore them, that UF has only two quarterbacks on campus that have any chance of being a good quarterback. Their names are Harris and Grier, and if neither one of them is any good, UF is up the proverbial creek without a paddle. That’s as obvious as climate change is real, but there will always be the unfortunate few who never catch on until it’s too late. I’m sure you’re still trying to figure out how your last guy at the top of one of your “lists,” Jeff Driskel, was a colossal bust.

  20. That “colossal bust” beat the hell out of F$U & their first round draft pick. He led UF to a 12-2 season, a play away from the NC game, and was personally the key to winning several games. Yes, he regressed after that and never recovered from his injury in 2013. But he did compete and win at the highest level for a full season.

    That “colossal bust” was never arrested or involved in a whiff of scandal that would embarrass his family or university.

    Shame-us jaMEis is a fine athlete, but he’s no Charlie Ward, Derrick Brooks or Warrick Dunn. You ought to be ashamed of him but shame doesn’t exist in Tallahassee, any more than timely, objective police work or academic integrity.

  21. Ox-Tu, Porter was not just the best player on his team you twit.
    He was the best (stats) QB in the entire state of Florida, any division in 2013.
    FL 6A All State 1st Team QB, SunCoast PoY, and the Tampa Bay Iron Man Award.
    He led ALL Florida HS’s, ANY Division: with 4,698 total yards and 53 TD’s.
    P – 3,199 yds, 33 TD’s, 8 Ints. — R – 1,499 yds, 20 TD’s for a Tampa 6A HS.
    His physical size is the ONLY thing that has him at CB instead of QB in college.
    Had he chosen to go to a smaller school, he would likely be playing QB. But with eyes on his possible future in the NFL, he’s at CB for a Top SEC School instead.

    Gator S Kylan Johnson 6-3 200 has the size for a college QB, but he’s a Rivals #2 at CB.
    P – 2,456 yds, 36 TD’s, ZERO INTERCEPTIONS. R – 390+ yds, 10 TD’s.
    While UF has recruited him as a safety, in need, he could be a QB imo. Many times a recruit could play a certain position at the college level, but unlikely in the NFL. So they choose to play the position that gives them the ‘best chance’ to play in the NFL. It’s not for any lack of ‘college level’ talent in a different position. (you’re an idiot)

    Since Mc-Nuss made those chumps at Bama more than just viable QB’s, Porter and Johnson should not be an insurmountable task for them…. BTW, I never put Skyler up for a starting QB, I just said that he was a ‘quality’ backup QB behind (I hope) Grier. Skyler’s stats and playing time was with what was left of the Gator team after 15 starters went down, and there were 72 lost starts on the 4-8 team due to injuries. Even so, he still did a decent job imo, all things being considered. With a healthy team and quality system/coaching, we don’t yet really know how he’d be, but I’m pretty sure that you’ll CLAIM to know everything about him…. (twit)

    Stars & rankings, including walkon status recruits, are judged and rated by their HS stats, and by people without the skills to be Million Dollar college coaches, and by HS performance which you claim means nothing…. So, which is it??? — LMAO!!!!

    Winston’s UNPARRELLED SUCCESS??? By what freakin’ measure? Not by his game stats vs quality competition, that’s for sure… He racked up what stats he has against D-2’s, losers, and also-rans.
    Teams with 10 of more wins that Shameous Jameous won against: (5 total)
    2013 11-2 Clemps’-son (they also lost to SCa)
    2013 10-4 Dukie (they also lost to 7-6 Pitt/GaTech and 9-4 aTm)
    2013 12-2 AU by +3 (AU also lost to 10-3 LSU)
    ————-
    2014 10-3 Clemps’-son (they lost to FSUcks by 6 pts, and to UGA by 24)
    2014 11-3 GaTech (they also lost to 6-7 N.C.)
    2014 Then he got snot-sobbered by 13-2 Oregon by -39 pts.

  22. Mistake noted and corrected by me: I transposed
    2015 #80 S (QB-DT/CB) Kylan Johnson for
    2016 #12 S (#2 CB) Chancey Gardener.
    It doesn’t really affect the ‘point’ that I was making, but it was a mistake, so I’m correcting it.

    And I noticed that you breezed right by the Tebow / Shameous comparisons in order to harp on the departed top quality/character Driskel some more. Here’s a clue for you, I wouldn’t have a Shameous QB at UF if that sucker was GOLD freakin’ PLATED on the field,,, not that he was. That’s a primary difference between a long time Gator and a clueless scumbag criminole for ya.

  23. da muddler…you clearly have it out for treon harris because your always so negative towards him…he was and still is the best qb on uf’s roster…yeah he made a couple of mistakes but who hasn’t…life is all about living and learning and clearly he has learned from his mistakes and realizes the opportunity he has at uf..i agrre wit ntcrze…you posting morninhweg stats are a joke…If anyone else on the team had a better arm than treon why didnt we see them? If treon wasnt a good qb then why was he offered and committed to fsu as a qb? The reason why he came to uf was because he knew he could compete for playing time as a true freshman..like i continue to tell you, if grier was as good as you advertise he would have beat out harris who was ranked lower than him and who enrolled later than grier and it wasnt because he needed to add muscle or learn the play book, grier jus wasnt ready to compete in the sec…im pulling for all my gators and hopes the winner of the qb competition regardless if its grier or harris have a healthy successful season..but we will see wat happens in the spring..grier had the same problem as driskel wen it came down to reading defenses so i hope he has been working on that..treon has to become more consistent with his accuracy in the short and mid range throws…Jus support ALL our gators!!!

  24. treon’s stats may not be eye popping but the thing I love about him is that he never costed us a game…mizzo was special teams, scar was play calling(muschamp), fsu tevin no hands at all westbrook..as a true freshman arriving at uf in the summer and compete with 3 other qbs that were all there before him i feel he did a great job..treon has that it factor..jus look at the way the team responed once he was under center..the team knew they had a better chance to win with him under center and were ok with his on field mistakes because he was a true freshman not senior or redshirt junior or watever driskel was..look at the south florida offensive recruits that know about his accomplishments in hs,skill set, leadership ability and poise…time will tell but i feel treon can guide us to 10 wins and represent the east in atl..once that happenes top recruits fill be flocking to uf…GO GATORS!!!

  25. “you clearly have it out for treon harris because your always so negative towards him…he was and still is the best qb on uf’s roster…yeah he made a couple of mistakes but who hasn’t?”

    I don’t have anything ‘out’ for Harris, I’ve simply stated what he himself has done. A couple = 2
    Personal Responsibility. 1. Accused of Rape, 2. Driving without a License in a borrowed car. 3. Speeding on Campus. 4. And having 2 small bags of weed in the car that was not prosecuted, ONLY because it was a borrowed car. 5. For leadership, he had two other Gator players in the car with him that were also allowed to dodge the weed possession prosecution.
    (News Flash: Less than that got sCam Newton dismissed and sent outta town)
    As to who hasn’t, the list is Long: Wuerffel, Plamer, Brindice, Leak, Tebow, Brantley, Brissett, Taylor, Driskel, Mornhinweg, Grier, to name just a few at QB.

    One the Field, he is FAR from the best QB at UF. Mornhinweg has better passing stats with a 4-8 team, and Grier has a FAR better HS record. Harris might be better than Jacob Guy, but I’m not even sure of that because like so many others on the roster, Muschamp never utilized Guy.
    I’m not even sure that CB/QB-DT Porter couldn’t beat our Harris in a heads up competition. You do realize that Harris completed LESS THAN HALF OF HIS PASSES don’t you?
    Personally, I’d be fine with Harris flipping back to FSUcks, but that’s just me.

    Personal Responsibility & Accountability,,, or the excuses of the arrogant self-serving that rules don’t apply to. How contrite was he after embarrassing UF with the Rape charge? Apparently not at all judging by his post season ‘Wild-Ride’ action. And you call that learning? I call it short bus….

    That kind of crap is bad enough when it’s the backup kicker, but when it’s the starting QB, it just doesn’t get any worse than that imoho. Other’s see things differently, that’s up to them, but I make no apologies for my own values and judgments. If he wanted to do crap like that and still be accepted or coddled, then he should have stayed with the criminoles.
    I don’t know about anyone else, but I sure as hell wouldn’t let him borrow my car or date my daughter.
    Support all of the Gator Student/Athletes that deserve our respect and support. I’m not a blind mouse.

    I don’t advertise Grier, Parade and Lemmings are the one’s that named him the National HS PoY.
    And Grier competed at the Nike Elite 11. Was Harris even invited, I know he didn’t compete?
    As to Physical Size: Harris 5-11 190 — Grier 6-2 200 — And Grier has a faster 40 plus a stronger arm with a lightening release. As to why Harris played and Grier didn’t? Harris was to be the part-time Wildcat behind Driskel, to hopefully keep Driskel from another season ending injury. Grier was to be redshirt groomed to be the starter after Driskel left. Now, IF the team won’t play for Grier because of anything other than on the field performance, then that’s a SERIOUS problem for the coaches to address and cure. We’ll see.
    Harris never ‘costed’ us a game huh???
    Vs FSU 13 of 32, 40%, 1 TD, 2 Ints. — Westbrook had 19 missed or dropped balls did he?
    Yep, not his fault, so it was obviously that sorry Driskel’s fault….

  26. da muddler..lol..treon’s not going anywhere..why are you still posting stats from 2 years ago? treon was still in high school wen we went 4-8..you just cant handle the truth..grier got beat out by harris in fall camp plain and simple…as i mentioned before it makes grier look even worst wen you state he went to all these camps and was parade this and nation hs poy that but couldnt beat out treon who you say cant throw a lick and is the worst or second to the worst qb on our roster…so your basically saying muschamp and his staff said, ” boy this grier kid is the best qb on our roster! why dont we redshirt him, let our sorriest qb be our back up, even though im fighting for my job..yeah that makes a lot of sense…if he was that good why would he need to groomed? true freshman qb’s come in and perform all the time…you got to be kidding me if you think treon costed us a game..if westbrook catches the perfect pass from treon fsu would have lost..again stats are for losers..winston had an awful game against us with a horrible stat line but won the game..stats dont mean anything just like mornhinweg stats.. again you cant handle the truth..the kid wasnt ready mentally or physically…dont worry..treon will make you his #1 fan by week 5..GO GATORS!!!

  27. da muddler..by the way i missed the press conference wen muschamp said grier was the back qb and they brought treon in jus to run the wildcat so driskel wont get hurt…i missed that other press conference wen muschamp stated that grier was the qb of the future once driskel left..i do remember during spring muschamp stating that driskel is the starter and the other qb’s are in a qb battle for the back up job..i do remember grier being the back up until fall camp once treon came in and out performed him…so just to clarify, you also believe that once a person makes a mistake early in life there is nothing that person can do to repair their image or reputation..wow what a perfect world we live in..its funny how you keep stating grier’s performance in Nike Elite 11..its 7 on 7, no pads, no rush, no crowd noise..everything that glitters is not gold…GO GATORS!!!

  28. Are you really this stupid? (rhetorical)
    I’m not supposed to bring up Skyler in 2013, as it relates to Treon in 2014?
    But it’s okay for you to bring up Treon in 2014, as it relates to Grier in 2015? lol
    You are free to believe anything you want to about Harris as the Gator’s past backup QB.
    And I can either believe your biased and coddling bs, or I can believe my own lyin’ eyes. lmao!
    I don’t hate Treon or wish him any bad things, I’ve just stated the reality of HIS OWN ACTIONS.
    If you don’t believe in Personal Responsibility and the resulting Accountability, that’s up to you.
    In my book, Respect off the field is Earned by the Choices you make.
    Support on the field is Earned by the numbers you put up, and W/L is a stat, in case you missed that too.

    Nov 2nd – Accused of Rape
    He made about as big of a mistake as a male college student/athlete can make.
    But I should be forgiven completely, cause I’ve changed and I’ve learned my lesson….

    Jan 12th:
    ~ Speeding on Campus in a borrowed car.
    ~ Driving without a License
    ~ 2 small bags of weed found in the car.
    ~ 2 other Gator players in the car with me, (leadership confirmed).
    Short bus confirmed.

    CBSSports, cfbstats: QB Treon Harris 5-11 190 Fr
    P- 55 of 111, 49.5% for 1,019 yds, 9 TD’s, 4 Ints. 113.2 yds/gm
    R – 75 for 332 yds, 4.43 ypc, 3 TD’s, 36.9 yds/gm

    How did Treon finish out UF’s last 4 games of 2014:
    vs SCa 5 of 11, 45.5%
    vs E.Ky 4 of 12, 33.3%
    vs FSU 13 of 32, 40.6%
    vs ECa 5 of 11, 45.5%
    P – 27 of 66, 40.9% for 514 yds, 7.8 yds/att, 6 TD’s, 3 Ints
    You say he never costed UF a game, I’d say that he never won-ed UF a game.
    IF he cleans up his terrible act, and if stays at UF, he should probably switch to RB.

    Yep, Treon is the best QB in UF history all right, on and off the field.
    Proving that Will Grier has no chance and should just accept his 3rd string status or leave….
    Now I’m ROTF-LMAO!!! :~))

  29. da muddler..your as dumb as they come…i was comparing true freshman to true freshman..sklyer was at uf in 13′ and harris and grier were both still in hs so you make no sense there…treon actually played and started games in 14′..cant say the same for skyler and grier…w/l are the only thing that matter..not completion percentage…treon went 5-2 as a true freshman and whats wrong with that? he beat Tennessee, GA,Vandy,EKY and ECAR he never threw costly interception, take a costly sack, fumble at the wrong time such as driskel..he nearly was able to save muschamps’ job until his stupid play calling vs SCAR and would have won us the game vs fsu had westbrook not drop the ball..he never won uf a game…you must have missed the Tennessee game huh!!what about the Vandy game i bet you missed that one too huh!!!you need to let both of his past situations go..he was never charge with the weed and car and that situation has been cleared up and dropped once he received his lisence…if treon really assulted that girl she would be coming after him jus like the situation with winston..that girl has a book and a movie coming out…you are full of sh$t bringing up skyler and he’s done nothing since he’s been a gator…your eyes arent lying your jus blind and know NOTHING about football!!! you bring up his leadership..do you even know what treon and the other 2 gators were doing wen they got pulled over? They just got finished playing 7on7 with other teammates..thats why the officer didnt take them to jail because he felt and it was proven they were jus practicing and needed a ride to get from point a to point b…they had sweaty t shirt on, cleats on, cones and a football…he and the others honestly didnt know weed was in the car..your so full on sh%t its not even funny..know your facts regarding peoples personal life before you pass judgement and post one sided bias stupid uneducated opinion…GO GATORS!!!!

  30. i really like that coach mac and his staff has attacked recruiting so hard..the earlier you can get a kid interested in your school the better chance you have to get them especially when your the first school to offer a prospect…i jus hope that when coach mac recruits a player and he enrolls at uf, coach mac or the staff dont get cute and switch a players position unless we are short handed and that player has experience..muschamp loved doing this to many of the players which only got them buried deeper on the depth chart..classic example is valdez showers..kid was great with the ball in his hands and was a top wr in his state..muschamp switched him to defense where he had poor technique and couldnt tackle a lick, only to leave our wr’s core lacking playmaking ability which showers wouldve provided..once muschamp realized his mistake he switched showers back to offense but classic muschamp never utilized him..i feel the same about d.porter..the kid is electric with the ball in his hands but he was switched to corner where we have the most depth besides dline..i jus hope coach mac is smart enough to figure out wat our players strengths are and put them in the best position to succeed..GO GATORS!!!

  31. Gatorzone-Bio lists TH’s W/L at 4-2, (that would be 8-4 on a full season).
    And giving him credit for the Ga win (3 of 6 passing) is ludicrous imo.
    While 2 of his TD’s and 148 yards came vs E.Mich at the mop-up end of a 65-0 game.
    The games that UF won in 2014 were won by the defense and the RB’s, not by Treon’s passing.
    CBSSports, cfbstats: QB Treon Harris 5-11 190 Fr
    P- 55 of 111, 49.5% for 1,019 yds, 9 TD’s, 4 Ints, yds/att 9.2 – PER 146.2
    R – 75 for 332 yds, 4.5 ypc, 3 TD’s
    Let me just give you a comparison with another Gator freshman QB.

    2006 Tim Tebow 6-3 230 Fr – on 18% of the total snaps as the backup QB to Chris Leak.
    P – 22 of 33, 66.7% for 358 yds, 5 TD’s 1 Int, yds/att 10.8 – PER 201.73
    R – 89 for 469 yds, 5.3 ypc 8 TD’s
    And there’s still idiots out there that claim that Tebow had no arm, accuracy, or the ability to read the defense, in an offense that is predicated on reading the defense and reacting at the snap of the ball.

    Or how about 2003 Fr QB Chris Leak 6-0 201: SEC All-Freshman Team in 2003…Named The Sporting News SEC Offensive Freshman on the Year in 2003; Sporting News All-Freshman Team in 2003; Rivals.com Freshman All-American in 2003…Scripps/FWAA Freshman All-America Team in 2003…SEC Freshman of the Year in 2003.

    And both Leak and Tebow were Honor Students with 4.0 Character Ratings. (who wasn’t?)

    At FSUcks / Clown-U, W/L is all that matters. At UF, that’s not the case,,, are you new?

    The Tenn game, where Matt Jones ran for a TD, Austin kicked a FG, and the Defense held Tenn to 3 FG’s?
    Yep, without Treon, UF would have been doomed alright….
    And you whine about Westbrook’s drop of a Harris pass (while he was going 13 of 32 passing), but not Driskel’s. Or the 22 other dropped passes that Driskel suffered through. Or the wrong routes run by the receivers. Or the receivers that couldn’t seem to ever get open, no matter how much time Driskel bought them with his scrambling? Or the early OL breakdowns where he was running for his life or getting sacked in 1.5 seconds? And you have the nerve to call me biased or hateful of Harris, while you and others like you use Jeff for a scapegoat… And oh BTW, Jeff was here for 4 years like (Leak, Tebow, Brantley, and Murphy) without being in trouble even once, (who wasn’t).
    Again – How did Treon finish out UF’s last 4 games of 2014:
    vs SCa 5 of 11, 45.5%
    vs E.Ky 4 of 12, 33.3%
    vs FSU 13 of 32, 40.6%
    vs ECa 5 of 11, 45.5%
    P – 27 of 66, 40.9% for 514 yds, 7.8 yds/att, 6 TD’s, 3 Ints
    This is of course JMOHO, (to which I am entitled) but if Treon is the 2015 starter, then the Gators are in for a very long season again, and that’s IF he manages to stay eligible and out of jail….

    Gatorzone-Bio lists TH’s W/L at 4-2, (that would be 8-4 on a full season).
    And giving him credit for the Ga win (3 of 6 passing) is ludicrous imo.
    While 2 of his TD’s and 148 yards came vs E.Mich at the mop-up end of a 65-0 game.
    The games that UF won in 2014 were won by the defense and the RB’s, not by Treon’s passing.
    CBSSports, cfbstats: QB Treon Harris 5-11 190 Fr
    P- 55 of 111, 49.5% for 1,019 yds, 9 TD’s, 4 Ints, yds/att 9.2 – PER 146.2
    R – 75 for 332 yds, 4.5 ypc, 3 TD’s
    Let me just give you a comparison with another Gator freshman QB.

    2006 Tim Tebow 6-3 230 Fr – on 18% of the total snaps as the backup QB to Chris Leak.
    P – 22 of 33, 66.7% for 358 yds, 5 TD’s 1 Int, yds/att 10.8 – PER 201.73
    R – 89 for 469 yds, 5.3 ypc 8 TD’s
    And there’s still idiots out there that claim that Tebow had no arm, accuracy, or the ability to read the defense, in an offense that is predicated on reading the defense and reacting at the snap of the ball.

    Or how about 2003 Fr QB Chris Leak 6-0 201: SEC All-Freshman Team in 2003…Named The Sporting News SEC Offensive Freshman on the Year in 2003; Sporting News All-Freshman Team in 2003; Rivals.com Freshman All-American in 2003…Scripps/FWAA Freshman All-America Team in 2003…SEC Freshman of the Year in 2003.

    And both Leak and Tebow were Honor Students with 4.0 Character Ratings. (who wasn’t?)

    At FSUcks / Clown-U, W/L is all that matters. At UF, that’s not the case,,, are you new?

    The Tenn game, where Matt Jones ran for a TD, Austin kicked a FG, and the Defense held Tenn to 3 FG’s?
    Yep, without Treon, UF would have been doomed alright….
    And you whine about Westbrook’s drop of a Harris pass (while he was going 13 of 32 passing), but not Driskel’s. Or the 22 other dropped passes that Driskel suffered through. Or the wrong routes run by the receivers. Or the receivers that couldn’t seem to ever get open, no matter how much time Driskel bought them with his scrambling? Or the early OL breakdowns where he was running for his life or getting sacked in 1.5 seconds? And you have the nerve to call me biased or hateful of Harris, while you and others like you use Jeff for a scapegoat… And oh BTW, Jeff was here for 4 years like (Leak, Tebow, Brantley, and Murphy) without being in trouble even once, (who wasn’t).
    Again – How did Treon finish out UF’s last 4 games of 2014:
    vs SCa 5 of 11, 45.5%
    vs E.Ky 4 of 12, 33.3%
    vs FSU 13 of 32, 40.6%
    vs ECa 5 of 11, 45.5%
    P – 27 of 66, 40.9% for 514 yds, 7.8 yds/att, 6 TD’s, 3 Ints
    This is of course JMOHO, (to which I am entitled) but if Treon is the 2015 starter, then the Gators are in for a very long season again, and that’s IF he manages to stay eligible and out of jail….
    “i jus hope coach mac is smart enough to figure out wat our players strengths are and put them in the best position to succeed.” (yep, 49.5% passing but 4.5 ypc rushing, a RB for sure… ;~) — snicker

    PS – Yep, it was that mean spiteful girl who falsely accused him of not understanding what NO means. And nope, they weren’t going out the 2nd week in January, in a borrowed car, to blow a hooter and relax a little. And he wasn’t even SPEEDING on campus while driving without a LICENSE, nasty lyin’ UPD guys.
    He’s a complete angle and ain’t veva don nuttin wong eva,,, obviously it’s my ole blind senile bad….

  32. da muddler..why are you bringing up tebow and leak…both qbs played under meyer..under an offensive guru…you really are dumb as hell…treon went 4-2 as as true freshman..that would be 8-4 for a full year..as a true freshman, that aint bad..so your saying grier wouldve guided us to an undefeated national championship season huh?…it funny how you say all the wins we got while treon was our starter go to the d and the rb’s..thats total bs..so the same can be said about driskel wen we went 11-2 and had a top 5 defense and a 1,000 yard rusher…you failed to mention what happened in the tenn. game..treon came in and saved the day with 3 first downs (2pass and 1run)..how do you think matt jones scored..and yes, they were coming from playing 7on7 go do your research dumba$$…your really dumb if you say tebow has nfl type accuracy..did you see any of his nfl games? tebow is not a good qb but a great winner..in the 4th quarter something comes alive and he finds a way to win the game…face it and be honest you jus have it out for treon and proably never liked him in the first place…im not new ive been a gator for a long long time and winning is the only thing that matters..meyer had all kinds of troubled players at uf but no one cared because we were winning..once the losing started thats wen everything got put into question..muschamp came in, cleaned the program up and filled it with good character players and where is he at now? GONE BYE SEE YOU LATER..why? because he didnt win..had meyer not gotten his panties in a bunch he would still be our head coach..sports is all about winning and always will be…theres no need to post individual gator stats because for 1.) individual stats dont matter in a team sport only w/l’s and 2.) we are all gator fans and are smart enough to google or go to a website,read copy & paste so please stop..it annoying and you fail to make a point..GO GATORS!!!

  33. da muddler..lol..no one used jd as a scapegoat..he was flat out awful..had he continued to finish the tennessee game we wouldve lost and muschamp wouldve been fired before he left knoxville…muschamp did jd a favor by putting him out his misery..you like tebow so much..tell me what was his completion percentage as an nfl qb in 2011 wen he won the broncos a playoff? i’ll tell you, it 46%…he went 126/271…he was ranked at the bottom or near the bottom of the league in completion percentage but he kept winning…he completed only 2 passes vs mia dolphins and won the game but according to you that doesnt matter that win goes to the defense and the rb..your the bull and full of sh$t..face it, it kills you that treon maybe the face of our program for years to come and you hate it.. you continue to dance around the facts that i state and only post individual player stats to make it seem like you know what your talking about but you dont..whats the use of post tebow and leaks freshman stats vs treon? your comparing apples to oranges..you want to compare treon to someone try comparing him to grier since the time they arrived at uf…i bet you find grier has no stats at all..treon has 4 (in my book 5) wins against the toughest college competion in the country..i wish muschamp wouldve put jd in the best position to win a moved him to tightend…if your daughter had been assulted by someone i bet you wouldnt stop until the s.o.b was behind bars for life UNLESS she was lying about what actually happened and had no evidence of sexually assult..you know uf..if treon had really and truly committed a crime and there was evidence to support the your lady’s case, treon would have neverreinstated to the team and he would be sitting in jail right now but guess what nothing happened..once again go do your research to figure out why he wasnt kicked out of uf and thrown in jail..all of your negative comments toward treon only confirm what i’ve been saying about you all along which is you have it out for treon, dont want him to succeed at uf and wish he wasnt apart of our team…and you have the nerve to call yourself a gator..you should be ashamed of yourself..ive never met a true gator fan that wants a gator to fail..your a dumba$$…GO GATORS!!!