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  • #41724

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    Thanks for the kind words, Mtn2top. I really enjoy your posts throughout Football and Basketball seasons, as well. As they are the only 2 sports I know well enough (having played them both myself) that I can comment on here regularly. And ”this is the hand we’re dealt” pertaining to Gator Basketball… I just hope we got ”pocket Aces” next season! LOL!
    Go Gators!

  • #41662

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    Hey 6, I’ll bite. I think having Miami, Auburn, LSU, and those hated Dawgs on U.F.’s 2019 schedule makes me feel like I’m in high school again… way back in 1985! Where’s a young Michael Jackson, and a healthy Michael J. Fox for that matter? And I would warn Prince and Gainesville born, Tom Petty, about the drug Fentanyl, too. If only!!!

    On that note, ”IF ONLY” Florida can beat those teams above, then it will be a very special year for our beloved Florida Gators. I just don’t know the mindset of the young O-line. And oh, those Vols and their young, athletic Q.B. got a whole lot better at the end of last year. So…
    GO Gators!

  • #41168

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    It could be an historic day for Florida Football. So if the Gators pull off the upset of the Wolverines, I believe it will be because Florida’s ‘O’ ran the ball well, and the Gator ‘D’ held their own on the line of scrimmage. The Gator ‘D’ must defend the passing game of Michigan MUCH BETTER than the UGA game.
    That is how I see this bowl game. A rematch of FLA/UGA (in playing style that is). Florida must not let Patterson get into a groove in the passing game. Otherwise it will be ugly, like U.G.A.! Gators win a close one, no score prediction.
    Bonus beats: I remember way back in the day, ”Sharky’s Machine” (in the ATL) was one the big screen, and U.F. got blasted in Atlanta. Now the game is DIFFERENT! No one in the media is mentioning this GLARRING TRUTH, THE PEACH BOWL IS INDOORS NOW!
    So, Go Gators! CHOMP-CHOMP!

  • #40957

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    ”Gator Nation just needs to find something we have in extremely short supply… PATIENCE!” -StLGator.

    I disagree with that for the following reasons, StlGator. The Gators have not won an SEC CHAMPIONSHIP in 10 years in football. That, in of itself, is displaying ”patience.” And in FULL-EFFECT, too. But the Gator Football team’s future is looking better and better. And the Peach Bowl will go a long way. That is ‘IF’ U.F. wins the game. As it will garner Florida with a ”Top 10” final ranking, great national exposure, etc..

    But we, Gator fans, have been practicing ”patience.” As it’s all we, Gator fans, have any currency in presently. And David G. Allen once said, ”Patience is the calm acceptance that things can happen in a different order than the one you have (or had) in mind.” The Gator fans my have had ”a different order in mind,” but still, we fans are practicing patience, in my opinion. Because ”patience” and ”hope” is all we have right now. Go Gators!

  • #40912

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    You’re right, Joe, about ”inside out game,” and since so many of us hardcore Gator Basketball fans have watched that style since Billy ‘D’ came here, way back when the H.B.C. was the Gator Head Football Coach, it’s hard to understand not seeing it work much anymore.
    I’d be interested to see if the staff(s) of Gatorsports.com could come up with some scoring stats/numbers on Coach White’s teams. Since he’s going on 4 seasons now, it will show scoring trends. And I’d bet the primary bulk of Mike White’s Gator team’s points come from the guards, and like you said, the 3 point shots.
    I will concede, though, that it was very exciting to watch Florida nearly knock off Duke last season (early in the season in the PK80 Tourney), running up and down the court (up tempo), and hitting shots. But in the end the Duke big men put the 2017-’18 Gators away. I know Florida Basketball could get hot from the outside, and beat a few good teams this season. But they could also lose to most of the teams with good big men (Tennessee, U.K., etc…). And that just may keep these Gators out of the 2019 NCAA Tournament. The place that the Gator Basketball team of the mid-80’s ”finally” got U.F. to way back then.
    And Gator fans, like me, were ecstatic! We all know with Lon Kruger, Billy ‘D’, etc.. ”the rest of the story. Good day!” And Go Gators!

  • #40881

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    Florida is presently missing, and missed greatly while he was here with a knee-injury during his last year at U.F., big John Egbunu. Where is Mike White’s Patric Young, John Egbunu, Justin Leon, or even his Casey Prather type recruit presently? I hear he has a 4 star 6′ 8” forward coming next year, which will help. But Coach White’s had 2 ”one year transfer recruits” who have made up the difference in the big man problem during Coach White’s U.F. career to date. Especially since he immediately began losing Billy D’s players. Like the 3 point shooting Russian, Egor Koulechov, a ”graduate transfer” last year. And there was Canyon Barry the year before, who made up for U.F.’s lack of inside play at Florida. But the cold truth still remains, John Egbunu, Casey Prather, even (G) Chris ”Cheese” Chiozza were all, in fact, Billy ‘D’s recruits.
    Just maybe this is Coach Mike White’s preferred coaching style, smaller big men, forward types, along with a team dependent on hot shooting guards. But the burning questions still remains, what happens when the shots don’t fall in long stretches?
    While I love Mike White’s coaching style when he has a complete roster, he went to the ”Elite 8” in his 2nd year at U.F. with Coach Billy D’s guys. But Coach Mike White did, in fact, take those Billy ‘D’ players to another level. No one can doubt that! And that is the hope for the future with Florida Basketball.
    But as of today, there aren’t any big men who can stay healthy and contribute more than ‘4’ points a game. Which was the 4 Gator big men’s scoring average against Mich. State last Saturday.
    So in closing, I am very pleased with Coach White’s recruiting and landing to U.F. guard, Nembhard. But presently I just don’t see an immediate answer to his inside the paint problem for his basketball team. Even Pat Dooley briefly wrote about it, paraphrasing, ”…but the problem in the paint is the same problem this team had last year.” And while I understand the ”patience part,” it’s all we Gator fans are told anymore. Patience is the buzz word for Florida Basketball and Florida Football. However, Coach Dan Mullen does have Florida Football looking upward. Can Coach Mike White get that same trajectory for Florida Basketball? Go Gators!

  • #40268

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    MexiGator, it is a great topic, and thanks for bringing it up. It has been well documented with ”facts” pertaining to the ”facilities” here in Hogtown (as I’m a born and raised Gainesvillian). And I watched the O’ Dome go up, the South and North endzone stadium expansions, too. So the Gators will get ”caught up with the Saban’s and the Sabo’s, hopefully… fingers crossed!
    But I will levy an ”opinion” though. My reason for the lack of sustained success since Tebow’s days (10 years) is the LACK OF GREAT Q.B. play, in my opinion. The great Gator ‘D’ has been here in large part, see Muschamp’s D’s in the Orange & Blue. But for whatever the reason, bad luck, destiny, etc… Florida has NOT had superior Q.B play, and it’s still a struggle for Florida (as the U.F. receivers are stacked, but not in passing/receiving stats). While the problem should be only temporary though (I hope and pray). Because Mullen’s offensive thinking and creativity is BACK in Hogtown!
    But my last point to illustrate is one of another Gator broadcaster, Steve Russell’s, who has said so many times on the radio, ”the Q.B. is the most important position in all of sports.” It is, literally, the team’s General. The person behind the center has to have all the confidence of the coaches, the players, and even the fans. And that has not happened here in Gainesville since… you guessed it, Tim Tebow. But Will Grier did have a great Ole Miss game in Mac’s 1st year here, but we all know how that turned out.
    Ultimately, I truly believe the future is very bright for Florida Football. And I am going to ask for some sweet shades for Christmas. Because Florida Football’s ”future’s so bright, I GOTTA’ WEAR SHADES!”
    Go Gators!

  • #42025

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    Those are 2 interesting questions which I think many of us Gator fans have pondered, SoCal.
    And I will start with the legendary H.B.C., Coach Steve Spurrier. He’d have at least one more N.C. for the Gator Nation, in my opinion. And the great Gator Q.B. Rex Grossman got robbed of a Heisman Trophy in Coach Spurrier’s last year here in Hogtown.
    Rex Grossman was one of ”Top 5” best Q.B.s in my 50 years of Gator life, even though he may not have the ”hardware” of a Danny Wonderful or a Tim Tebow.
    And the irony about Coach Mullen in your scenario is that ‘IF’ Coach Spurrier had stayed (as you imagined), then Coach Urban Meyer would’ve NEVER been a Gator H.C. in ’05. Thusly, present Head Football Coach Dan Mullen wouldn’t even be here now. Things that make you go hmmm.
    Go Gators!

  • #41753

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    Thanks for your input, KentuckyGator, all valid and thought provoking. It must’ve been rough up there after U.K. beat us (Florida) for the 1st time in decades (in football). But thanks for your thoughts.

  • #41725

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    Correction: I spelled Moten’s 1st name incorrectly, it’s Andrew. The ”M & M boys” Maxwell & Moten. And I do call Steve’s show quite often, and he plays the ”Devil’s Advocate” on your point, (ironically, since that movie, ”The Devil’s Advocate,” was created/based on a Gainesville, FL. attorney. And I will always love the beautiful, yea I gotta’ crush on her, Charlize Theron’s character saying in the movie, “I want to back to Gainesville!” But Steve Russell often tells me, ”it’s based on perceptions,” whatever that means. But I do love his show! Go Gators!

  • #41719

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    Well said, Mtn2top, and I agree with you on the patience part for Coach White this season. He’s had 3 ”20 or more win seasons” at U.F. so far. But, unfortunately, I don’t see that happening again this season (20 or more W’s).
    I do, however, wonder how this coaching staff’s coaching is not an important part of the Gators displaying a lack of basic skill at times this season’s on his U.F. Basketball team, and way too much it shows up. An example: they’re too soft on boxing out, and their switch ‘D’ often sets up too slowly and/or leaves them completely ”mismatched,” and the opposing teams are taking advantage of it. I do, however, believe ”next season” will be the ”barometer,” or the ”make or break” for his chances of redeeming the Gators from this year’s losing season. Because, sadly, I think this Gator basketball team will end up with a losing record, more losses than wins in their overall record and their SEC record.
    I do hope I’m wrong, and thanks for contributing, Mtn2top. Go Gators!

  • #41557

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    ”The truth is drawn and driven in the right direction by other truths.” -C.H. Spurgeon.
    So thanks to all who have contributed so far. And while I’m rooting for Florida Basketball and Coach White, ”the truth” is big man, Gak, has been hurt since he came to the Univ. of Florida. And Stokes should be jumping rope everyday in order to get lighter phsyically and quicker on his feet in order to help this team. As I commented here in the past, Stokes could be as effective (or more so) than the great Dametri Hill, ”Da Meat Hook,” who during the Gators’ 1st Final Four season in ’94, Hill averaged around 14 points a game and grabbed around 6 rebounds a game. But here in 2019, I think Dontay Bassett is the one who needs to play more effectively in the paint. As I truly believe Dontay Bassett hasn’t even come close to his upside yet.

    I have to believe Coach Mike White & staff saw this coming, he had to have seen this coming! Because other than Keith Stone’s untimely injury, these coaches had to know where they were with regards to Florida’s big men. The coaches knew they’d get non-stop effort from Hayes, but they also should’ve known there wouldn’t be a lot of help in the paint to assist Hayes on a consistent basis. Albeit, Hayes had quite possibly his best overall game against T.C.U. in Texas, the Gators still lost. K.J. has been a bright star so far, beaming a bright hope for the future. But not shinning so brightly that were talking about seedings in the 2019 NCAA Tourney.

    ”The truth” is that Florida is missing pieces, and like any coaching staff, and much like a ”sales staff,” they have to ”forecast and predict” where their ”sales” (their help) will come from. And I don’t see Mike White’s long term plan with regards to Florida’s big men as of today on Jan. 28th, 2019. Whether or not Mike White will publicly acknowledge that he took some missteps with recruiting big men to Florida (to date), these deficiencies glaringly show in games that are close. And Saturday’s game against T.C.U. (like 2 others in the SEC schedule, so far) have been close. And ultimately, Florida lost them all (Carolina and U.T., too). But still, ‘IF’ these Gators can win the next four games, then ”BAM” Coach Mike White’s a basketball genius! GO GATORS!

  • #41383

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    Hopefully, you’re right mtn2top about ”squeaking into the NCAA’s.” And while I know we’re told to ”enjoy the journey,” this journey is presently just so up and down. In fact, I think I may go ride the roller coaster ”Montu” at Busch Gardens in Tampa. That would probably be a smoother ride than this one with U.F. Basketball. But I sincerely hope this team can get more from the U.F. big men. The freshman players (Locke & Nembhrad) do give us Gator fans hope. But the lack of big men play is something I cannot come to grips with. Chase Johnson and his concussions, I give Coach Mike White a pass on that one. But Gak has appeared to have been injured since he came to Hogtown. In fact, I haven’t seen him run up and down the court without looking like he was in pain since he’s been at U.F.
    And the lack of development of Hayes, Stone, Bassett (well, Bassett is kinda’ my hope for a jewel in the rough), and Stokes is troubling. I know U.F. made the quarter finals, the equivalent of the ”Final Four” in the NIT’s in Mike White’s 1st year at U.F. (I think it was his 1st year). But I don’t even see that even happening as of mid-January 2019. And it is only ”the 1/2 way point,” so I will not give up on these Gators. But the in the paint problem has to get resolved (as best as the coaches can, with what they have now).
    Lastly, I just hope U.F. Coach Mike White understands that you cannot consistently win in the SEC with a ”live by 3, die by the 3” mindset.
    Go Gators!

  • #40919

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    With all due respect, MexiGator, and that is what this ”Gator Forum” is for, sharing opinions and ideas:
    Dwayne Schintzius Height 7′ 2”
    Mike Miller (G and F) 6′ 8”
    Joakim Noah Height: 6′ 11″
    All Horford Height: 6′ 10″
    Corey Brewer Height 6′ 9”
    David Lee Height: 6′ 9″
    John Egbunu 6′ 11”
    Patric Young 6′ 9”
    And that is just ”SOME OF FLORIDA’S PAST BIG MEN.”
    So in my opinion, “Serviceable bigs” and ”successful”, well those 2 words rarely, if ever, meet! Point in fact, Coach Spurrier once said in 1990, I’m paraphrasing, ”Florida makes excuses, and then we accept them. And that is why we’re not winning CHAMPIONSHIPS!” So… sounds familiar! Go Gators!

  • #40901

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    You know your point is very valid, Tunaboat. It’s a great question, why can’t Florida Basketball, with ‘5’ Final Four appearnaces since 1994, recruit the bigs like F.S.U. does? I do know Mike White can coach with a full and healthy roster, as he coached up Billy D’s players in his 2nd year at U.F. to an ELITE 8 appearance. But where are the big men recuits, the dividends per say, from that Elite 8 run? I just don’t see Mike White’s long term planning right now in effect. I don’t know if Mike White will succeed with 6 guards and 6 medium/big men on this roster, 12 total on the roster presently (where are the other 3 scholarship players?) And with 6 being guards and the 3 bigs, Gak, Johnson, and Stokes hurt for much of last year, and this season, too. That only leaves Mike White’s Gators with 3 healthy big men. And albeit Nembhard’s a baller, Mike White has 6 healthy guards presently, and only 3 big men that are healthy consistently. And one being Hayes, who is primarily only a defensive and rebunding specialist. Ultimately, if the guards are not shooting red hot, then I fear this team will be in trouble during SEC play. Here’s hoping I am wrong, though.
    Go Gators!

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